Jack Morris vs the 1980s
One of the major claims made by Jack Morris for the Hall of Fame supporters is that he was the best pitcher of the eighties since he won so many games. I wanted to see just how many games he “deserved” to win and just how many he won by virtue of being on very good offensive teams.
MORRIS = Jack Morris
STIEB = Dave Stieb
SABERHAGEN = Bret Saberhagen
MARTINEZ = Dennis Martinez
FLANAGAN = Mike Flanagan
From this, I think I get that Stieb and Saberhagen were far superior to Morris.
Martinez is Morris’ most similar player (B-Ref similarity scores). I get that he was a better pitcher.
Flanagan, a player no one has ever heard of, provides a very comparable case to Jack Morris in terms of his pitching profile.
In much of this period, there were better pitchers (Roger Clemens in the later half, Bert Blyleven throughout, etc).
This little table is only to illustrate:
a) Jack Morris’ win total is extremely inflated
b) Jack Morris was not the best pitcher of the 1980s
I apologize for the horrendous state of the table. I have no idea how to make actually good tables in WordPress. It looked better in NotePad. I now realize I probably should have done it in Word with a regular table. My bad.
RS/GS is run support in games started. This is the number of runs scored by the pitcher’s team.
RS/GS is NOT under the control of the pitcher. It is an effect of the strength of the team’s offense.
It includes runs scored AFTER the pitcher left.
ERA is earned run average.
W-L is win-loss record.
Neutralized W-L record is according to Baseball Reference. Their methodology can be found on their website.
All statistics from baseball-reference.com.
MORRIS STIEB SABERHAGEN MARTINEZ FLANAGAN Av(MLB)
1979 (RS/GS) 5.3 4.6 n/a 4.0 4.9 4.5
1979 (ERA) 3.28 4.31 n/a 3.66 3.08 4.00
1979 W-L 17-7 8-8 n/a 15-16 23-9
1979 W-L(neut) 12-9 6-7 n/a 15-16 16-12
1980 (RS/GS) 4.5 3.8 n/a 4.4 4.5 4.3
1980 (ERA) 4.18 3.71 n/a 3.97 4.12 3.84
1980 W-L 16-15 12-15 n/a 6-4 16-13
1980 W-L(neut) 12-14 13-12 n/a 4-6 11-15
1981 (RS/GS) 5.4 2.8 n/a 4.4 4.3 4.0
1981 (ERA) 3.05 3.19 n/a 3.32 4.19 3.58
1981 W-L 14-7 11-10 n/a 14-5 9-6
1981 W-L(neut) 16-14 16-13 n/a 13-14 6-12
1982 (RS/GS) 4.2 3.9 n/a 4.8 4.8 4.3
1982 (ERA) 4.06 3.25 n/a 4.21 3.97 3.86
1982 W-L 17-16 17-14 n/a 16-12 15-11
1982 W-L(neut) 12-15 19-12 n/a 11-15 11-13
1983 (RS/GS) 4.8 4.4 n/a 4.3 5.3 4.3
1983 (ERA) 3.34 3.04 n/a 5.53 3.30 3.87
1983 W-L 20-13 17-12 n/a 7-16 12-4
1983 W-L(neut) 16-15 19-11 n/a 4-11 7-6
1984 (RS/GS) 5.1 4.2 3.5 3.9 4.4 4.3
1984 (ERA) 3.60 2.83 3.48 5.02 3.53 3.81
1984 W-L 19-11 16-8 10-11 6-9 13-13
1984 W-L(neut) 12-13 18-10 8-8 4-10 11-12
1985 (RS/GS) 4.6 4.5 4.5 6.3 4.0 4.4
1985 (ERA) 3.33 2.48 2.87 5.14 5.13 3.89
1985 W-L 16-11 14-13 20-6 3-11 4-5
1985 W-L(neut) 15-12 20-8 15-10 6-12 3-6
1986 (RS/GS) 5.5 4.8 3.3 3.0 4.1 4.4
1986 (ERA) 3.27 4.74 3.36 4.73 4.24 3.97
1986 W-L 21-8 7-12 7-12 3-6 7-11
1986 W-L(neut) 16-12 8-13 7-9 4-7 8-10
1987 (RS/GS) 5.3 6.1 5.4 5.0 4.7 4.8
1987 (ERA) 3.38 4.09 3.36 3.30 4.06 4.29
1987 W-L 18-11 13-9 18-10 11-4 6-8
1987 W-L(neut) 16-12 9-10 16-11 9-6 7-8
1988 (RS/GS) 4.4 4.8 3.9 4.4 5.0 4.2
1988 (ERA) 3.94 3.04 3.80 2.72 4.18 3.73
1988 W-L 15-13 16-8 14-16 15-13 13-13
1988 W-L(neut) 10-14 12-9 13-14 15-10 9-13
1989 (RS/GS) 3.5 5.3 4.8 4.5 4.3 4.2
1989 (ERA) 4.86 3.35 2.16 3.18 3.93 3.17
1989 W-L 6-14 17-8 23-6 16-7 8-10
1989 W-L(neut) 6-11 10-11 19-8 13-11 7-10
1990 (RS/GS) 4.9 4.7 4.6 4.3 6.9 4.3
1990 (ERA) 4.51 2.93 3.27 2.95 5.31 3.86
1990 W-L 15-18 18-6 5-9 10-11 2-2
1990 W-L(neut) 10-16 13-9 7-6 14-10 1-1
1991 (RS/GS) 5.0 3.7 4.6 3.5 3.0 4.3
1991 (ERA) 3.43 3.17 3.07 2.39 2.38 3.91
1991 W-L 18-12 4-3 13-8 14-11 2-7
1991 W-L(neut) 14-12 4-2 12-8 16-7 7-3
1992 (RS/GS) 5.6 3.4 3.0 3.9 n/a 4.1
1992 (ERA) 4.04 5.04 3.50 2.47 n/a 3.75
1992 W-L 21-6 4-6 3-5 16-11 n/a
1992 W-L(neut) 11-14 3-6 5-5 15-8 n/a
1993 (RS/GS) 4.3 4.6 4.5 4.5 n/a 4.6
1993 (ERA) 6.19 6.04 3.29 3.85 n/a 4.19
1993 W-L 7-12 1-3 7-7 15-9 n/a
1993 W-L(neut) 4-12 1-1 9-6 13-11 n/a
1994 (RS/GS) 6.5 n/a 5.1 5.3 n/a 5.0
1994 (ERA) 5.60 n/a 2.74 3.52 n/a 4.51
1994 W-L 10-6 n/a 14-4 11-6 n/a
1994 W-L(neut) 7-14 n/a 18-8 16-11 n/a
RS/GS(career) 4.9 4.5 4.6 4.6 4.6
ERA(career) 3.90 3.44 3.34 3.70 3.90
W(career) 254 176 167 245 167
L(career) 186 137 117 193 143
W(BRefNeut) 195 173 160 216 127
L(BRefNeut) 218 137 117 215 161
One can see that the neutralized records given by baseballreference are therefore accurate, since Morris was given extraordinary run support.